86 XR7 5spd
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Aug 2008
Houghton MI in 'da U.P.
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looks like my O2 sensor is dead;
in TurboDodge world,
a common upgrade is to convert to 3- or 4-wire O2 sensor.
do any y'all TurboFord guys do that ?
is there a website or FAQ/write-up on-line ?
(does the 87-8 also use a 1-wire sensor ?)
David T
T5 / ported E3 / .63 / 35# / K&N
2.5" exhaust w/ cherry bomb
30+ mpg! 8.2 0-60, 16.4@88 1/4 (gTech)
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Not B Anymore
Joined:
Apr 2001
Nokesville, VA, USA
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As far as I know, the only benefit to having a 4-wire sensor for our application is the elimination of the resistance caused by the sig. return wire being attached to a different part of the turbo. The sensor is so close to the turbo that I don't think the pre-heater function is going to be of much use. could be wrong though...
Brian Leavitt
'86 TC 5-Speed -- MS2x w/COP | 83 lb. injectors | T3/T4 50 Trim Stage 3 .63AR | Full 3" Exhaust - No Cat | Motorsport FMIC | Ranger Roller | Ported E6 | Walbro 255HP | Kirban | 20psi | 120-amp 3G | 8.8" 3.55 rear | '03 Cobra Wheels
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Jeff K
Joined:
Apr 2001
Milwaukee, WI
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87-88 use 3 wire. 1 wire or 3 wire can be converted easily to 4 wire. Just connect the orange wire at turbo inlet to the O2 negative wire. For 1 wire to 3 or 4 wire, just run the 2 heater wires to 12V key in run and ground.
Jeff Korn
88 Turbo Coupe: Intake and exhaust mods, T3 turbo at 24 psi, forced air IC, water injection, BPV, Ranger cam, subframes, etc., etc.
86 Tbird 5.0 (original owner): intake, exhaust, valvetrain mods, 100 HP N2O, ignition, gears, suspension, etc., etc.
11 Crown Vic Interceptor
14 Toyota Camry (wifes car)
95 Taurus GL Vulcan winter beater
67 Honda 450 Super Sport - completely customized
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RDOG
Joined:
Jun 2001
Ontario. California U.S.A.
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There should be a write up, to make this simple.
1986 Turbo Coupe. Boport StageIII head, Boport 2.1, Performance Techniques 50 trim hybird, StageII.63, stinger 3" exhaust, Phenolic spacer, Boglog header,NPR FMIC intercooler setup, kirban fpr, bigrmotorsports fuel rail, diablo water meth kit, CAI, remote mount TFI, CHE rear adj control arms, MAC girdle, 8.8 rear disc, aluminum drive shaft, H&R lowerings springs Tbird Turbo Specific, y MAS!!
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RC Martin
Joined:
Mar 2006
Colorado
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Question: what's the actual benefit of the upgrade? Also, what year TC has a 1-wire? If 87/88 has a 3-wire and my 84 has a 3-wire...
Thunderbird Turbo Coupe, Bright Canyon Red TuTone, Desert Tan Interior; 1 of 7 in this combo in 1984 according to Marti. 1 of 13,361 TCs in 84.
Rebuilt, 3-Angle Valve Job, SYB37 "OE/Small" Slider Cam
Full 3" Stinger Exhaust to Flowmaster 40, Gnari FMIC/Recirc/BPV, MBC @ 18psi, RF-E6 Manifold, Remote-Mount TFI, PC1 and Flowed 35# Injectors, Inline Walboro 255HP, Kirban AFPR
Rebuilt Suspension -- KYB & Energy Suspension
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Not B Anymore
Joined:
Apr 2001
Nokesville, VA, USA
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my '86 is a one-wire. I thought they all were, but apparently I was dead wrong!
Brian Leavitt
'86 TC 5-Speed -- MS2x w/COP | 83 lb. injectors | T3/T4 50 Trim Stage 3 .63AR | Full 3" Exhaust - No Cat | Motorsport FMIC | Ranger Roller | Ported E6 | Walbro 255HP | Kirban | 20psi | 120-amp 3G | 8.8" 3.55 rear | '03 Cobra Wheels
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RDOG
Joined:
Jun 2001
Ontario. California U.S.A.
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I was told it gives a more accurate reading to the computer by running a 3 wire.I have a one wire on my 86 but if I can see a quick and simple way to run a 3 wire and the performance/efficiency gain is true, I'm in.
1986 Turbo Coupe. Boport StageIII head, Boport 2.1, Performance Techniques 50 trim hybird, StageII.63, stinger 3" exhaust, Phenolic spacer, Boglog header,NPR FMIC intercooler setup, kirban fpr, bigrmotorsports fuel rail, diablo water meth kit, CAI, remote mount TFI, CHE rear adj control arms, MAC girdle, 8.8 rear disc, aluminum drive shaft, H&R lowerings springs Tbird Turbo Specific, y MAS!!
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Jeff K
Joined:
Apr 2001
Milwaukee, WI
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The dedicated ground wire on the 4 wire provides a "cleaner" signal to the PCM than the 3 wire that uses the O2 itself as the signal ground via the orange wire at the turbo. The 3 or 4 wire has a built in resistive heater, around 12 to 15 Watts power, to heat the sensing element. The sensing element doesnt work until in hits around 600 deg F, so the heater warms it up faster, allowing for closed loop operation sooner after a start.
Jeff Korn
88 Turbo Coupe: Intake and exhaust mods, T3 turbo at 24 psi, forced air IC, water injection, BPV, Ranger cam, subframes, etc., etc.
86 Tbird 5.0 (original owner): intake, exhaust, valvetrain mods, 100 HP N2O, ignition, gears, suspension, etc., etc.
11 Crown Vic Interceptor
14 Toyota Camry (wifes car)
95 Taurus GL Vulcan winter beater
67 Honda 450 Super Sport - completely customized
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Jeff K
Joined:
Apr 2001
Milwaukee, WI
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RC.... someone must have converted your 84 to 3 wire, as 83-86 came from the factory with 1 wire.
Jeff Korn
88 Turbo Coupe: Intake and exhaust mods, T3 turbo at 24 psi, forced air IC, water injection, BPV, Ranger cam, subframes, etc., etc.
86 Tbird 5.0 (original owner): intake, exhaust, valvetrain mods, 100 HP N2O, ignition, gears, suspension, etc., etc.
11 Crown Vic Interceptor
14 Toyota Camry (wifes car)
95 Taurus GL Vulcan winter beater
67 Honda 450 Super Sport - completely customized
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RC Martin
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Mar 2006
Colorado
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Good to know! Thanks for the explanation also, makes sense.
How odd. The wiring on mine definitely doesn't look converted. Put a ~$60 Bosch on there a few years back, 100% sure it's a 3-wire. http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/6061/30935137.png
I swear the mysteries never end with my 84.
Thunderbird Turbo Coupe, Bright Canyon Red TuTone, Desert Tan Interior; 1 of 7 in this combo in 1984 according to Marti. 1 of 13,361 TCs in 84.
Rebuilt, 3-Angle Valve Job, SYB37 "OE/Small" Slider Cam
Full 3" Stinger Exhaust to Flowmaster 40, Gnari FMIC/Recirc/BPV, MBC @ 18psi, RF-E6 Manifold, Remote-Mount TFI, PC1 and Flowed 35# Injectors, Inline Walboro 255HP, Kirban AFPR
Rebuilt Suspension -- KYB & Energy Suspension
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