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Rob H Offline
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#11
Quick update,
You guys were right about the abs pump, like you said Jeff, a tap on that relay and it stopped instantly. I didn't have time to get under the car to see if the leak was visible from down there, but looking and feeling around from the top I couldn't find the leak. I fired the car up and let it run for at least five minutes, long enough that the small amount of coolant on the downpipe began smoking. Could not find a leak. I may go try driving it around a bit to see if that causes the problem again. Maybe I needed to get the turbo hotter?
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Rob H Offline
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#12
Wow.
I can't believe it was the end of June when I first posted this problem.
I've been VERY busy. The car sat there for a month and a half Sad
In the end it was a split coolant line. Also found the thermostat was leaking coolant. Both leaks fixed, all good now.
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anasazi4st Offline
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#13
(08-14-2019, 05:34 AM)Rob H Wrote: Wow.
I can't believe it was the end of June when I first posted this problem.
I've been VERY busy. The car sat there for a month and a half Sad
In the end it was a split coolant line. Also found the thermostat was leaking coolant. Both leaks fixed, all good now.

Good to hear you got it figured out.
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1987 Turbo Coupe w/T5OD, 8.8 axle, grey smoke; most options. Got it in 1991 with 41K miles: 3 turbos, 2 heater cores, 3 T5OD full rebuilds, 6 clutches, 1 head gasket, 2 Teves II ABS units, etc. later....
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Rob H Offline
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#14
Hey, going back to an old post of mine here.
What a weird event that was that started this post. Having never had a related problem, I simultaneously developed a coolant leak, while at the same time a relay was stuck on. I'm still inexperienced, but back then even more so. So to have a coolant leak, with the sound of a motor running was confusing.
The coolant leak was fixed, and Jeff was right about the relay.
That relay is still acting up, and a quick tap on the box fixes it for the time being. It seems like it is acting up a lot more now though, and I am wanting to replace it. I've tried searching to see what part it might be, I'm maybe not wording it properly.
I want to get a new relay, any idea what I need to ask for?
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boboli Offline
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#15
I think you have 2 problems.
One is a coolant leak, that's causing the smoking. And in the 2nd video, it looks like there's green in one of the bolt holes of the turbo outlet. So how's the coolant level! Maybe a heater core failure?
Anyways, the 2nd problem is your abs pump running all the time. It shouldn't do that. So the previous suggestion of a stuck relay is one possibility. But the accumulator could also be the reason. The pump shouldn't run all the time.
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Rob H Offline
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#16
(05-25-2020, 07:25 AM)boboli Wrote: I think you have 2 problems.
One is a coolant leak, that's causing the smoking. And in the 2nd video, it looks like there's green in one of the bolt holes of the turbo outlet. So how's the coolant level! Maybe a heater core failure?
Anyways, the 2nd problem is your abs pump running all the time. It shouldn't do that. So the previous suggestion of a stuck relay is one possibility. But the accumulator could also be the reason. The pump shouldn't run all the time.


I appreciate the reply. The coolant leak was addressed. And I know about the relay. Just trying to figure out how to order a new relay...
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anasazi4st Offline
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(05-25-2020, 07:54 AM)Rob H Wrote:
(05-25-2020, 07:25 AM)boboli Wrote: I think you have 2 problems.
One is a coolant leak, that's causing the smoking. And in the 2nd video, it looks like there's green in one of the bolt holes of the turbo outlet. So how's the coolant level! Maybe a heater core failure?
Anyways, the 2nd problem is your abs pump running all the time. It shouldn't do that. So the previous suggestion of a stuck relay is one possibility. But the accumulator could also be the reason. The pump shouldn't run all the time.


I appreciate the reply. The coolant leak was addressed. And I know about the relay. Just trying to figure out how to order a new relay...

Where is the stuck relay? If it’s next to the vacuum tree, to the left, there are two relays there. The first one is the ABS one. I know this because when I was trying to track down why my ABS light was on, the Pinpoint Tests in the shop manual had me test that for continuity.

O’Reilly’s here in the states, probably Auto Zone as well. After you have confirmed it’s that one, I’ll look in my Repair Log for the part #.
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Jeff K Offline
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#18
According to Ford, the ABS pump relay is "special" and is nearly impossible to find..... I have a new spare pump relay I picked up years ago from somewhere (dont remember where.... maybe RA) I carry with me at all times. But, IMO, a relay is a relay..... The ABS pump can pull around 25 Amps when running, with higher inrush current as the motor starts. A standard automotive 40 Amp relay available nearly everywhere should work fine. I am 99% sure a standard automotive relay has the same pinouts as the official Ford relay and should work fine, perhaps with some minor mods to the relay socket, but I never did the experiment to verify this.

FYI, a failed accumulator will cause the pump to cycle briefly every time the brakes are activated, but will not cause the pump to run continuously.
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anasazi4st Offline
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(05-31-2020, 01:54 PM)Jeff K Wrote: According to Ford, the ABS pump relay is "special" and is nearly impossible to find..... I have a new spare pump relay I picked up years ago from somewhere (dont remember where.... maybe RA) I carry with me at all times. But, IMO, a relay is a relay..... The ABS pump can pull around 25 Amps when running, with higher inrush current as the motor starts.  A standard automotive 40 Amp relay available nearly everywhere should work fine. I am 99% sure a standard automotive relay has the same pinouts as the official Ford relay and should work fine, perhaps with some minor mods to the relay socket, but I never did the experiment to verify this.

FYI, a failed accumulator will cause the pump to cycle briefly every time the brakes are activated, but will not cause the pump to run continuously.

I have what I would call a “standard” relay with 5 contacts; it did not work. The relay I’m describing is a little deeper and possibly more heavy-duty than that; but as Jeff said, they’re probably pretty much the same.

Here’s a picture of the one I removed on the left, alongside the “standard” 5 pin relay (like I have on the alarm system):

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Behind the OEM one is the box with the part # I got from O’Reilly’s. If you take a peek inside both you’ll see they both have the same 5 pin arrangement, but the one on the right doesn’t fit in the relay housing by the vacuum tree. The one on the left is a perfect fit.
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1987 Turbo Coupe w/T5OD, 8.8 axle, grey smoke; most options. Got it in 1991 with 41K miles: 3 turbos, 2 heater cores, 3 T5OD full rebuilds, 6 clutches, 1 head gasket, 2 Teves II ABS units, etc. later....
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vegas_ss Offline
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#20
One replacement for the ABS relay is Standard Motor Products RY223 available at rockauto for $24.79

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