North American Turbocoupe Organization



Possible Spark Blowout?
AloofMaalouf Offline
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Hey y’all, I have an 86 Turbocoupe engine in my Pinto, it’s mostly stock to the donor car, just have a bigger T3/T4 turbo, mild cam, and stiff valve springs. 

The skinny of it is I get this intense bucking at higher rpm’s WOT when running 15 psi of boost. When boost limiter is limited to 10 psi and I get a smooth range. I’m running the stock 87 top mount intercooler. Couldn’t find anything too similar on here but looking at other car forums I found that it sounds like spark blowout. 

My AFRs look decent enough, around 14.7 at idle and in WOT around 11, pretty confident all my sensors are in check but I can’t run a check engine light because I think it’ll prioritize the no EGR over anything else. I’m running 12 degrees of base timing, with 91 of course, and I have the correct Motorcraft copper plugs, gapped to .026 I believe, which I thought was already a tiny gap, but apparently some people will even go into the teens to avoid blowout on other boosted applications, anybody ever experience anything like this?
1987 Ford Mustang LX 5.0
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon 2.3 Turbo
1973 Ford Maverick 4 Door 302
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Jeff K Offline
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Spark blowout could be the issue. I run 24 psi boost and had to set the plug gap (NGK 2238 / TR5 plugs) to .023 to eliminate the same issue you are having.
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88 Turbo Coupe: Intake and exhaust mods, T3 turbo at 24 psi, forced air IC, water injection, BPV, Ranger cam, subframes, etc., etc.
86 Tbird 5.0 (original owner): intake, exhaust, valvetrain mods, 100 HP N2O, ignition, gears, suspension, etc., etc.
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AloofMaalouf Offline
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(07-07-2023, 03:50 PM)Jeff K Wrote: Spark blowout could be the issue.  I run 24 psi boost and had to set the plug gap (NGK 2238 / TR5 plugs) to .023 to eliminate the same issue you are having.
Oh interesting, NGK plugs, I was yelled at for suggesting anything other than Motorcraft once by another Turbocoupe guy LOL. I think I’ll try gapping my current plugs down a bit more and see how she feels, either way I’ll have to try those NGKs for my next plug change, seeing as someone running that much boost has no problem with em, thanks Jeff! 

I’ll report back with my findings, might take a bit, decided to start bodywork and paint on the car this week so that’s stopping me for now.
1987 Ford Mustang LX 5.0
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon 2.3 Turbo
1973 Ford Maverick 4 Door 302
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vegas_ss Offline
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Previously I had similar issues which ended up being corrected when I replaced the fuel injectors.
1987 TC, 5sp, Boport Stage 3 Head/2.1 Cam
1996 Impala SS, DCM, Borla Cat Back, too much other stuff!!! (SOLD)
2009 Pontiac G8 GXP 6M, 6.2l LS3, Kooks Long Tube, Hi Flo Cats, Mild Cam
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AloofMaalouf Offline
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(07-09-2023, 05:08 PM)vegas_ss Wrote: Previously I had similar issues which ended up being corrected when I replaced the fuel injectors.

Thought about that too at some point, they’re stock brown tops, been told they’re good enough and they were flow tested before I installed them but it was by an unreliable flow tester, he had just burned the guy who sold me them right beforehand. Worth a shot testing them if gapping down doesn’t help. Thanks!
1987 Ford Mustang LX 5.0
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon 2.3 Turbo
1973 Ford Maverick 4 Door 302
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Mikey97D Offline
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I had something similar happen from a boost leak. It would close to 15 psi then start bucking. It was the coupling between the turbo and top mounted intercooler was shot but would hold pressure until the boost got to around 15.
I am at .028" gap on my plugs without any problems at 17 psi.
1988 TC, 5 spd, Stinger 3" Exhaust, Schneider Roller Cam, -4° Cam Pulley, Cone Filter, Gilles Boost Control Valve set at 17 psi, Walbro 255 lph, CHE Rear Lower and Upper Control Arms, Braided Brake Lines, Hawk HPS 5.0 Front and HPS (F) Rear, CRES Inserts in front calipers, and '93 Cobra Wheels with General 235/50R17 Tires.   
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spittinfire Offline
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(07-12-2023, 12:54 PM)Mikey97D Wrote: I had something similar happen from a boost leak.  It would close to 15 psi then start bucking.  It was the coupling between the turbo and top mounted intercooler was shot but would hold pressure until the boost got to around 15. 
I am at .028" gap on my plugs without any problems at 17 psi.

I'm curious as to how you figured this out because I think I'm experiencing a boost leak as well.  I thought about adapting a fitting and hooking it to my air compressor and regulating the pressure down to 15# to see what happens.  If there's an easier what I'd love to know.
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Mikey97D Offline
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(07-12-2023, 03:53 PM)spittinfire Wrote:
(07-12-2023, 12:54 PM)Mikey97D Wrote: I had something similar happen from a boost leak.  It would close to 15 psi then start bucking.  It was the coupling between the turbo and top mounted intercooler was shot but would hold pressure until the boost got to around 15. 
I am at .028" gap on my plugs without any problems at 17 psi.

I'm curious as to how you figured this out because I think I'm experiencing a boost leak as well.  I thought about adapting a fitting and hooking it to my air compressor and regulating the pressure down to 15# to see what happens.  If there's an easier what I'd love to know.

I was lucky to just look for the boost leak visually and by tugging at the couplings.  I pulled up on the IC and it moved so i knew immediately. 

There are ways to make a boost leak tester if you can't find it visually.  I would do a Google search or look on Youtube for ideas.
1988 TC, 5 spd, Stinger 3" Exhaust, Schneider Roller Cam, -4° Cam Pulley, Cone Filter, Gilles Boost Control Valve set at 17 psi, Walbro 255 lph, CHE Rear Lower and Upper Control Arms, Braided Brake Lines, Hawk HPS 5.0 Front and HPS (F) Rear, CRES Inserts in front calipers, and '93 Cobra Wheels with General 235/50R17 Tires.   
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BradM Offline
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AloofMaalouf- "intense bucking at higher rpm’s" sounds more like a bad/wrong plug wire based upon experience with the same symptom. Given that you've swapped this engine into a Pinto, make sure you're using the right plug wires, they are in good shape, and they are fully seated on the plug ("click"). I had a small cut in a boot that I chased for months. When cylinder pressures are high (like 15psi of boost), spark wants to find a better way to ground. At normal cylinder pressures, spark is happy to follow the wire. BTW, I'm running Autolite 103 plugs gapped to 0.028 and 22psi of boost with no blow outs.
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AloofMaalouf Offline
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#10
Welp, months later and a nice fresh Oxford White paint job completed, I finally got the fix, credit to Mikey97D  , you were totally right, it was a goddamned boost leak, several actually Big Grin I’m embarrassed but it is my first boosted car and it’s been a lot of dealing with boosted problems. The car’s way too crazy now, leans out a bit top end, think I could fix it by richening the FPR a bit more but I’m in deep enough with this ECU, I’m going PIMP and big injectors before the end of the year, I’m so excited! Thanks again everyone!
1987 Ford Mustang LX 5.0
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon 2.3 Turbo
1973 Ford Maverick 4 Door 302
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