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Modine Oil Cooler- Source or a Substitute?
Randy Wilhite Offline
Junior Member
#1
Hi folks,

Well, the long block for my 87 Bird is at Blue Diamond Engines in Orlando for rebuilding and the IHI turbo is at Evergreen Turbos for the same. While looking at various parts I removed from the block for replacement, refurb, etc., I noticed that the coolant line tubes on the Modine "donut" style oil cooler that mounts under the oil filter look pretty thin and corroded.

I searched through all the forum messages, checked the vendors list and just spent five hours with Google trying to find a replacement for this. No luck at all in locating one or even finding a substitute.

I can't be the first person who needed to replace one of these, so I thought I would ask the largest collection of Turbo TBird owners I know of - NATO. The only numbers I can find on this Modine oil cooler (besides the US Patent number) is stamped on the front side and reads "F186P", yet Google can't find anything on that number with or without the word Modine in the search phrase.

Anyone have any suggestions on where I can find one of these?
Original owner 1987 Turbo Coupe 5 speed.
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Not B Anymore Offline
Administrator
#2
AFAIK the only thing you can do is get a used one. I don't know of anyone who makes a replacement.
Brian Leavitt
'86 TC 5-Speed -- MS2x w/COP | 83 lb. injectors | T3/T4 50 Trim Stage 3 .63AR | Full 3" Exhaust - No Cat | Motorsport FMIC | Ranger Roller | Ported E6 | Walbro 255HP | Kirban | 20psi | 120-amp 3G | 8.8" 3.55 rear | '03 Cobra Wheels
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Scott Mabe Offline
Member
#3
If it is the part I'm thinking of, and one from a non turbo 2.3 would fit, there are several options at Summitracing.com. Here is a search I did.
http://www.summitracing.com/search/depar...e/2-3l-140

1987 Turbo Coupe
1988 Thunderbird parts car/ possibly street/strip car
1990 F-250HD 460ci
2001 Pontiac Montana (wife's ride)

-PLEASE FORGIVE TYPOS, I USE SWYPE ON MY PHONE-
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Jeff K Offline
Administrator
#4
Those oil coolers route the oil itself to an external cooler. The TC cooler is a oil to coolant heat exchanger. Completely different.
Jeff Korn

88 Turbo Coupe: Intake and exhaust mods, T3 turbo at 24 psi, forced air IC, water injection, BPV, Ranger cam, subframes, etc., etc.
86 Tbird 5.0 (original owner): intake, exhaust, valvetrain mods, 100 HP N2O, ignition, gears, suspension, etc., etc.
05 Taurus SEL Duratec daily driver
04 Taurus Duratec (wifes car)
02 Pontiac Grand Prix GT
95 Taurus GL Vulcan winter beater
67 Honda 450 Super Sport - completely customized
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boboli Offline
Member
#5
Another junkyard source will be F150's and Broncos of the 90's. They usually came on 5.8 liter engines, but maybe some 5.0's.
1988 turbo tbird, 5spd, 140k, all stock except boost control valve.
1986 dodge omni glh turbo, 111k, my money pit.
1989 mustang Lx 5.0 convertible, tropical yellow/ tan interior, 1of only 144 made, 164k, aod, all stock including overheating TFI!
89 Jaguar XJS convertible, LT1 conversion, now fighting the prince of darkness (aka Lucas electronics)
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5.0TurboCoupe1988 Offline
Posting Freak
#6
Jeff K Wrote:Those oil coolers route the oil itself to an external cooler. The TC cooler is a oil to coolant heat exchanger. Completely different.

this. it's designed to keep the oil and water close to the same temperature. an oil cooler is designed to cool the oil only, not to help warm it up during cold weather.
1988 TC 2.3/5-Speed, 148K
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TurboBoost88 Offline
Member
#7
my 95 mustang cobra had turbo coupe style oil cooler, ran the same oil filter as the 2.3
88 TurboCoupe,Midnight Metallic Blue on Blue cloth, 140 m.p.h. speedo, 96,000 miles, 5spd. Gills valve, many new parts waiting to be installed..88 TC, Silver, 5spd, My first car, wish I still had that one! Built for customers: 67 Ford Fairlane,69 Mach I,70 Mach I Clone,95 Ranger 2.3/5.0 EFI Conversion,99 Cobra Procharger SC-1 Install/Tune,Factory Five Racing Mark III Cobra #4114,1955 Black on Black Thunderbird for local Ford Dealer owner's wife.
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Scott Mabe Offline
Member
#8
5.0TurboCoupe1988 Wrote:
Jeff K Wrote:Those oil coolers route the oil itself to an external cooler. The TC cooler is a oil to coolant heat exchanger. Completely different.

this. it's designed to keep the oil and water close to the same temperature. an oil cooler is designed to cool the oil only, not to help warm it up during cold weather.

I haven't looked to see how it is set up but couldn't you use aftermarket adapters and route it to the factory cooler, possibly relocating the oil filter at the same time?
1987 Turbo Coupe
1988 Thunderbird parts car/ possibly street/strip car
1990 F-250HD 460ci
2001 Pontiac Montana (wife's ride)

-PLEASE FORGIVE TYPOS, I USE SWYPE ON MY PHONE-
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Jeff K Offline
Administrator
#9
^^^ Not as far as I can see. The oil cooler "sandwiches" sold by Summitt, Jegs, etc simply route the oil to an external cooler and back to the engine. The TC cooler routes the oil thru an internal heat exchanger to exchange heat with the coolant. We call it an "oil cooler" on our cars, but it is, as noted above, really a oil temp to coolant temp equalizer. Not only does it cool the oil if the oil is above coolant temp, it heats the oil when the oil is cooler than the coolant. Coolant heats up MUCH faster than the oil does, so on a cold start, the "cooler" helps to bring the oil up to temp more quickly. Turbos hate cold oil almost as much as they hate real hot oil.

If one would use one of the coolers from Summitt, Jegs, etc, it would be VERY wise to include a thermostatic valve to not route oil thru the cooler until it hit 180 to 190 deg F. Of course, those coolers will not help the oil come up to operating temp faster.
Jeff Korn

88 Turbo Coupe: Intake and exhaust mods, T3 turbo at 24 psi, forced air IC, water injection, BPV, Ranger cam, subframes, etc., etc.
86 Tbird 5.0 (original owner): intake, exhaust, valvetrain mods, 100 HP N2O, ignition, gears, suspension, etc., etc.
05 Taurus SEL Duratec daily driver
04 Taurus Duratec (wifes car)
02 Pontiac Grand Prix GT
95 Taurus GL Vulcan winter beater
67 Honda 450 Super Sport - completely customized
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Scott Mabe Offline
Member
#10
I actually found a pic of one on eBay that showed the inside. I wonder if using one of the adapters I found on a radiator made for a automatic transmission (that has the trans coooler built in), would work the same as factory?
1987 Turbo Coupe
1988 Thunderbird parts car/ possibly street/strip car
1990 F-250HD 460ci
2001 Pontiac Montana (wife's ride)

-PLEASE FORGIVE TYPOS, I USE SWYPE ON MY PHONE-
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