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Huey866 Offline
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I was wondering at something at school while watching one of my friends build an all forged Talon engine for his 92 talon. Why is it that a car like the talon has a smaller displacement, run lower boost, and make more power than the 2.3? And can anything be done about this?

Huey

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Pete D Offline
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Yes, but is the basic design if the Talon engine 35+ years old?
Pete Dunham


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Huey866 Offline
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wow, I didnt know that this engine was that old of a design. But still, is there any way that the power can be increased with simply changing to a different style intake? For example, what kind of changes in performance would I be expecting with bob's custom modified inline lower with fuel rail and 65mm throttle body? Im just trying to figure out how I want this engine doneup.

Huey


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87 Turbo coupe, 5spd, full factory options, custom cerosion coated exhaust, Gillis valve, bent frame.
87 TurboCoupe - silver, 137k, 5-speed, 3.73 w/ superior axles, Maximum Motorsports suspension, 03 Cobra Brakes, 93 GT vacuum assist, Griggs Subframe connectors, RR cam, Essy Adj. Cam Gear, Boblog, Bob Elbow, .63 T-3, ARP headstuds, Stinger 3in Exhaust, Magnaflow Muffler, AEM gauges, Tweecer RT, Godspeed Omega 18x9
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Joe F Offline
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How much power does the talon make stock?

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Pete D Offline
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Quote: For example, what kind of changes in performance would I be expecting with bob's custom modified inline lower with fuel rail and 65mm throttle body?

If you engine is still basically stock (unported head, unported E6 or no header, stock cam, IHI turbo) then you probably aren't going to get much gain, if any.
The intakes and TB are not the bottlencks to flow compared to the exhaust side and stock head. you would d better to just hang a bigger turbo on it and inprove the IC
Pete Dunham


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Joe F Offline
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As I thought I remembered (I once had a boss who was pissed that my TC put out more power than his Eclipse), the Talon puts out (with the turbo DOHC) from 180 - 195 HP; the 87/88 TC is rated 190. The torque on the Talon is 203, the TC is 240.

Looks to me that the venerable old "pinto" engine is more than holding it's own. I sure don't call that "so much more" power.

Source: http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/used/...fm/id/2030

HTH

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[This message has been edited by JoeCool (edited 11-05-2004).]
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SteveX82 Offline
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The 4g63's head has godlike flow numbers compared to our's. I've seen bone stock heads flow 270cfm intake @ .400" (!!) where our's barely break 150cfm at the same lift. Even our praised Essy head only flows about 200/150cfm I/E.

Since hp is related to the amount of air you can flow into / out of the head, they have us beat hands down in that department. However, this just means that you have to breathe on the motor a bit harder to make the same amount of power. Getting a well-ported head and matching it up with a good cam can go a long ways, too.

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Estoril blue 1987 TC 5spd, 146k miles, a237, Bailey BOV, rod's header, spec stg3 clutch, spearco FMIC, t3/t4 50 trim / stage III .63, 3" exhaust, eec-tuner, lm1 wb, 55pph injectors
Best 1/4 mile: 12.89 @ 106mph on 25psi, 1.78 60'
Estoril blue 1987 TC 5spd, 148k mi, a237, Bailey BOV, spec stg3 clutch, spearco FMIC, 50 trim t3/t4, 3" exhaust, Bamafuel, LM1, 55pph
Best 1/4 mile: 12.31 @ 110mph on 25psi
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Huey866 Offline
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That makes since why they make more power at only 6 pounds. If ford would have went through with the dohc project then these car would be legendary, but they diddnt ([email protected]$[email protected]).

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87 Turbo coupe, 5spd, full factory options, custom cerosion coated exhaust, Gillis valve, bent frame.
87 TurboCoupe - silver, 137k, 5-speed, 3.73 w/ superior axles, Maximum Motorsports suspension, 03 Cobra Brakes, 93 GT vacuum assist, Griggs Subframe connectors, RR cam, Essy Adj. Cam Gear, Boblog, Bob Elbow, .63 T-3, ARP headstuds, Stinger 3in Exhaust, Magnaflow Muffler, AEM gauges, Tweecer RT, Godspeed Omega 18x9
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