07-21-2020, 09:19 PM (This post was last modified: 07-21-2020, 09:26 PM by Rob H.)
I've had a busy week, and no time to get out to the car. Finally trying to get at this, I'm sure I've found it. I dont know which injector is which, but counting from either side inwards lands me in the same spot anyhow. So here's another one of my questions that comes from the fear of wrecking something due to lack of knowledge.
I see it's behind the upper manifold intake. Looking at it I feel like it is maybe a big deal to remove that? There is space behind that intake to get my hand in but there are some plug wires, the wiring for an injector, and what I believe is the fuel pressure regulator. I was thinking if I removed that fuel pressure reg. I can probably get my hand in there to get at the ect. Would I be opening a can of worms removing that? I see in the diagram an o ring and I assume I would need to release the pressure somehow?
Or am I missing the easy way of getting at this altogether?
07-22-2020, 01:32 AM (This post was last modified: 07-22-2020, 01:34 AM by Rob H.)
Anything a newbie should know before doing that?
I see there's a gasket in there, if I'm careful can it be reused or should I have something on hand before I get in there? I'd be interested in learning how to remove this so I can clean it up in the future so might be a good learning experience.
I have reused the upper to lower intake gasket before, but it might be a good idea to have a spare on hand just in case. Of course, you need to remove the throttle and cruise control cables (easy). You do not need to remove the dipstick from the engine. Just remove the small bolt holding the dipstick tube to the intake and let the dipstick tube hang.
Jeff Korn
88 Turbo Coupe: Intake and exhaust mods, T3 turbo at 24 psi, forced air IC, water injection, BPV, Ranger cam, subframes, etc., etc.
86 Tbird 5.0 (original owner): intake, exhaust, valvetrain mods, 100 HP N2O, ignition, gears, suspension, etc., etc.
11 Crown Vic Interceptor
14 Toyota Camry (wifes car)
95 Taurus GL Vulcan winter beater
67 Honda 450 Super Sport - completely customized
(07-21-2020, 09:19 PM)Rob H Wrote: I've had a busy week, and no time to get out to the car. Finally trying to get at this, I'm sure I've found it. I dont know which injector is which, but counting from either side inwards lands me in the same spot anyhow. So here's another one of my questions that comes from the fear of wrecking something due to lack of knowledge.
I see it's behind the upper manifold intake. Looking at it I feel like it is maybe a big deal to remove that? There is space behind that intake to get my hand in but there are some plug wires, the wiring for an injector, and what I believe is the fuel pressure regulator. I was thinking if I removed that fuel pressure reg. I can probably get my hand in there to get at the ect. Would I be opening a can of worms removing that? I see in the diagram an o ring and I assume I would need to release the pressure somehow?
Or am I missing the easy way of getting at this altogether?
I’ve had that fuel rail assembly off so many times I stripped the right-most bolt threads in the intake manifold, had to run a through-bolt and use a nut to hold it on.
Point is, it’s not a big deal. You can get some paper gasket material (there is usually black and brown available, which I think is a bit thicker), trace and cut a new one if you want to.
You might need to remove that entire fuel rail assembly, which includes the metal hoods over all four injectors (they just pull off, CAREFULLY), to get at the ECT. After you get the upper manifold elbow off, it’s fairly obvious. If you do, BE SURE to get into the trunk—on the rear panel where the taillights are attached, there is an Inertia switch with a grey button. Push the button to relieve the fuel pressure. I also push down on the connector and disconnect it, just to be safe in case the button push doesn’t “take” (I’ve had that happen!). No need to remove it all the way.
While you’re at it, if you’ve removed the fuel rail, why not remove the fuel injectors and clean and inspect them? They just pull out of the manifold. Use some carb spray on the inside of the blue plastic “hat” (Pintle) to be sure it’s clean. TREAT THEM CAREFULLY! If you accidentally break off or damage that needle-looking part sitting inside that little hole, you’ve ruined the injector.
There was a time when you could go to most any parts store and get the kit to refurbish them—you’ll find two neoprene o-rings and a slightly brownish plastic washer on each injector, as well as the pintle. Nowadays you’ll probably only be able to get the o-rings at the parts store, which I guess is okay. I prefer to replace all those parts—I recently found someone on eBay selling those old kits with all those parts for cheap ($8), including a tiny fuel filter that fits inside the injector. If you do remove or replace the Pintle, do so CAREFULLY.
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1987 Turbo Coupe w/T5OD, 8.8 axle, grey smoke; most options. Got it in 1991 with 41K miles: 3 turbos, 2 heater cores, 3 T5OD full rebuilds, 6 clutches, 1 head gasket, 2 Teves II ABS units, etc. later....
Hey Rob, I had to change my ECT as well last year. I did remove the upper intake, but that was all. I had a socket large enough to fit over the sensor to loosen and tighten it down, can't remember the size though. Wrenches would be a pain for sure in that area.
1988 Turbo Coupe, Black/Black, 5 Speed, Moonroof, T3/T4, ported E6, 255LPH, Kirban, Stinger Exhaust, MGW shifter, K&N, Gillis valve, BP1.5, PIMPx, Koni's
1964 Ford Galaxie 500XL, 390 6V, Big Solid cam, Headers,3.89's, 4 Speed, Vast and fast
1960 Ford Starliner, 292 Y Block, 312 4bbl intake, headers, 3 Speed, slow and low
Thanks for the replies guys, still no chance to get out there. My roof sprang a leak, decided to just jump right into putting a new one on due to its age.
Hopefully I'll get at it tomorrow. I've got some of that paper gasket material stuff laying around. Is that a good replacement if I can't reuse the gasket?
(07-27-2020, 11:53 PM)Rob H Wrote: Thanks for the replies guys, still no chance to get out there. My roof sprang a leak, decided to just jump right into putting a new one on due to its age.
Hopefully I'll get at it tomorrow. I've got some of that paper gasket material stuff laying around. Is that a good replacement if I can't reuse the gasket?
Yes.
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1987 Turbo Coupe w/T5OD, 8.8 axle, grey smoke; most options. Got it in 1991 with 41K miles: 3 turbos, 2 heater cores, 3 T5OD full rebuilds, 6 clutches, 1 head gasket, 2 Teves II ABS units, etc. later....
(07-15-2020, 03:18 AM)Rob H Wrote: Jeff, any chance you can give me a basic rundown on how to do this including numbers I need to see?
I'm really learning as I go, so lots of things that might seem easy aren't to me. I would really appreciate it.
Don't want to just throw parts at the problem and hope for the best.
Thank you in advance
Well after about an hour of searching through many many pages I was able to find a post in which a list created by another member (Shane Slocum—tr_guy79–years ago) was referenced. A search for that name yielded a posting with this:
VAF (Vane Air Flow Sensor) 2.2 to 4.4v with no breaks during door swing
VAT (Vane Air Temperatur Sensor) 32* 5800 Ohm 65* 2700 Ohm 185* 300 Ohm 220* 220 Ohm 240* 125 Ohm
(Someone else can vouch for the accuracy of this. I just report what I find.)
So there ya go. BTW, you owe me. I do accept cash and bank drafts.
OH AND US $$ only, please. Hee hee.
Okay finally, 1 new roof, one flooded basement later and I finally got at this thing. The video will say more than I can. But I will start by saying I'm not super great with a multimeter I kind of learn as I go. On the 2000m setting I was getting no reading. I don't know if it was just too low for my multimeter on that setting so this was done on the 20,000 setting.
Hoping someone can take a look at the video with that in mind and tell me what they think. Also just for good measure I'm going to attach a picture of the part next to where I removed it from the engine. I'm assuming this is the ECT for the fan. Don't see anything else around that could be it.
There is no separate ECT for the fans. PCM uses the ECT you have in your hand for temp info and sends a signal to the IRCM to turn the fan(s) on and off.
Jeff Korn
88 Turbo Coupe: Intake and exhaust mods, T3 turbo at 24 psi, forced air IC, water injection, BPV, Ranger cam, subframes, etc., etc.
86 Tbird 5.0 (original owner): intake, exhaust, valvetrain mods, 100 HP N2O, ignition, gears, suspension, etc., etc.
11 Crown Vic Interceptor
14 Toyota Camry (wifes car)
95 Taurus GL Vulcan winter beater
67 Honda 450 Super Sport - completely customized